please stop commenting on this thread its been concluded for 2 months. Super Saiyan Broly V.S Limit Breaker Jiren Speed Equalized (Is this even necessary? Most of SSB Gogeta's attacks wouldn't/couldn't maim Broly let alone disintegrate him, so odds are Jiren can't oneshot Broly and prevent his growth. Regardless of whether or not he’s stronger than Beerus specifically, it’s still extremely impressive and it definitely means it’s possible that he’s stronger than Frieza. NEXT: Dragon Ball: Vegeta's 10 Worst Defeats, Rei Penber is an avid fan of anime and manga. Jiren is considered one of the strongest characters in Dragon Ball, but there are still a few fan-favorites who could beat him in a fight. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. (edited by Rogeta234) 0. More History; Done. Regardless if the DB universe treats it as a hand in hand stat to durability and power. Although Jiren is stronger than a God of Destruction, that doesn't make him anywhere close to the level of an Angel. User Info: ps2snesgod. Not a single one of them (other than the exclusions) would be able to stand up to the might Frieza for more than a few minutes. Wouldn't that be a stomp the other way around? He's said to be stronger than Belmod, the God of Destruction of his Universe, which paints his powers to be something truly majestic. Mostly I just want to know if this would be a stomp or not. When Jiren shows up, it's heavily implied he's the one mortal stronger than GoD, which would likely include Beerus. So as You can see Broly isn’t Stronger than Jiren it’s mostly the fans driding him. Let's settle this ToP vs DBSB debate once for all! Yeah, Jiren stomps. … MUI defeated Jiren, who is stronger than someone stronger than Beerus, according to Whis, who saw Beerus at his fullest. I never said speed equals ap. Since we’re talking GT, I’ll take a liberty or two. I kind of feel gogeta probably isn't stronger than ultra instinct. In the Manga, Goku got some hits in before Jiren started adjusting his fighting style to counter Goku's movements at which point, the two were fighting evenly until Jiren outlasted Goku, so Goku = Jiren > Belmod and any difference between Goku and Jiren were negligible. However, when it comes to fighting someone like Gogeta, Broly struggled quite a lot, which is why we're certain that Jiren is powerful enough to defeat him in combat. Also is jiren weaker than Broly? He's definitely the strongest they have ever fought, but only perhaps stronger than GoD level. Goku compared Broly to 'possibly' being stronger than Beerus. Jiren was able to fight against Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku during the Tournament of Power, and he even held his own against him, meaning he should be able to do the same against Gogeta. Beerus isn’t a guy whose gonna be surpassed so subtle and subliminally. FlatZone wrote: Super Full Power Jiren, Hit, and Gogeta will fight Godslayer Hearts together, MUI just can't cut it so they are bringing Gogeta out instead. The fusion of Kale and Caulifla, Kefla is an extremely powerful warrior from Universe 6. Even if he's physically weaker than Jiren, he has hax abilities, such as Hakai, up his sleeve, which basically ensures that Beerus will absolutely not lose to him. So, as I said before, Gogeta wins. The calc for destroying the DB universe is 40x above baseline 3-A, and Jiren scales above that due to being above the GoDs. The resulting fusion should net a pretty sizable increase in power regardless. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. Whether Vados is still stronger than Whis or not remains to be seen, however, what we do know is that there is absolutely no way for Jiren to defeat her. His timeskip would be useless. While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. Gogeta (Dragon Ball Super) @shaneherald you do realize the DB Super Gogeta stomps Vegito right? So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? Who is stronger? Gogeta wouldn't one-shot Jiren, he didn't one-shot Super One-Star Dragon who has the same feat as the GoDs Jiren scales above to. It also fits with Toriyama's RoF statement through Whis, where he says Goku and Vegeta could surpass Beerus if they worked together. Pretty sure Jiren has this in the Bag. If even that. So Jiren is over 10x stronger than Goku. RELATED: Dragon Ball: 5 Characters Goku Can't Beat Yet (& 5 He Never Will). If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. Everything about him, from his physical abilities to his techniques like Hakai, is mind-blowing. Just like Whis, Vados is one of the Angel attendants, although she serves Champa, the God of Destruction of Universe 6. The calc for destroying the DB universe is 40x above baseline 3-A, and Jiren scales above that due to being above the GoDs. Everything is probably this and probably that. Jiren > GoDs = 40x 3-A. Goku, on the other hand, scales to the One-Star Dragon, who downscales from being 10x weaker than his next form who's able to destroy the universe. As one of the Angels, Whis is easily the strongest in Universe 7 and his strength goes beyond that of Beerus as well. So Jiren is over 10x stronger than Goku. -Jiren suppressed is not even phased by Goku SSB x20. Even at ssj, Gogeta would be capable of slapping away ssjbkkx20 goku and ssbe vegeta in a similar fashion to … Other pieces of evidence agree with this too. I personally think they would wreck his ass. No when we equalize speed we are just equalizing that specific stat. Well, currently it's unfair because the saiyan fusion would have access to Sign at the very least, and I'm inclined to say UI too. Potara was a fusion so powerful it was even stronger than SSJ3 goku in base form. I can buy Beerus being stronger than everything previous. Despite that, however, Hit won't be able to defeat Jiren in a fight. Being an Angel, her power far surpasses the likes of the Gods of Destruction and in a fight against Jiren, Vados would emerge victorious. 16:19, May 4, 2019. Although Jiren is stronger than a God of Destruction, that doesn't make him anywhere close to the level of an Angel. Having incredible potential, Gohan put himself forward as one of the strongest known characters in the series at one point. That's kinda how ki in DB works bro. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. its more of kefla being stronger than ui goku version 2 that makes me say gogeta can beat jiren Fair enough, but your title and first post imply that you believe DBH is a valid source to determine a character's power level. Gogeta >>>>> Super One Star > 40x 3-A. FP Broly Got Thrashed by a Gogeta Blue that wasn’t trying while Jiren fought Against MUI Goku on almost Equal Footing As LB and Was Dominating UIO as well. As one of Dragon Ball's strongest, Jiren is someone whose strength surpasses that of even a God of Destruction, quite possibly making him the strongest known mortal to ever exist in the multiverse. Vegito is cool in his own right and we don’t deny his fancy earrings, but come on, take a look at the truly supreme being: That sick jacket (which only appears on those who successfully pulled off the fusion dance, by the way) that extra spiky hair, and that stoic look. RELATED: 10 Dragon Ball Superheroes Reimagined As Villains. I do think that if Vegito will go all-out against Jiren early, he will get a high chance of beating the Pride Trooper. Kale also shat on nearly everyone but Jiren when she went wild. This concept is revisited in Dragon Ball Super and its official tie-in animated film, Broly. No it hasn't been proven Gogeta is stronger than Beerus. So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? Actually, I think Jiren has a huge AP adventage. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. There is also no assurance that even Gogeta can defeat him because Gogeta is not as strong as Vegito. You guys are supposed to close it. While Vegeta is stronger than Toppo, Jiren is stronger than Goku by a wider margin. He's Stronger than SSB Kaioken x20 by a large amount so I expect him to beat the shit out of him with no effort. In terms of power, Whis can likely destroy anything that he wants and for him, defeating Jiren shouldn't be a task too arduous. If Jiren is stronger than Fused Zamasu, there is no way Vegeta or Goku can defeat him alone. Being the legendary Super Saiyan, Broly is someone whose powers are exceptionally higher than average Saiyans. Jiren is one of the most powerful characters in the world of Dragon Ball. For the sake of this argument we are removing that hand in hand factor. Universe 6's famed assassin, Hit an extremely powerful character, strong enough to kill most who stand in his path. ps2snesgod (Topic Creator) 8 months ago #10. Firstly, I believe the only character in the series who has the closes idea of how strong Beerus really is would be Whis. Here are five characters from Dragon Ball that Jiren can defeat, and five more that he can't. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. Goku and Vegeta finally get their long awaited rematch but one of them isn't canon. So if your lightspeed thanks to planet busting power level than a Farmer with a Shotgun who gets light speed becomes planet level since Ki ties in speed & power. Whis knows Ultra Instinct as well and it seems that his skills with this power are far greater than Goku's. He has 5 minutes right? So somehow, Broly is going to be stronger than a God of Destruction. Furthermore, Vegeta can even go a step beyond that with Blue Evolution, taking his powers even higher than Toppo, a God of Destruction candidate. If we're going by the anime continuity then Jiren is inarguably stronger than Broly. As explained by Vados during the Tournament of Power, Jiren's powers are even beyond time, which means no matter how much Hit improves his time-skip, he is more likely to lose the fight than not. Jiren's universe was supposed to be one of the stronger ones. Although Jiren appeared to be stronger initially, Goku's ever-growing strength proved to be too much for him by the end. Basing this pretty much solely on the fact that that's just how Dragon Ball works. Gohan is the son of Goku and Chi-Chi, making him a half-blooded Saiyan. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. 10 Dragon Ball Superheroes Reimagined As Villains, Dragon Ball: 5 Characters Goku Can't Beat Yet (& 5 He Never Will), My Hero Academia: Shoto Todoroki's 5 Biggest Strengths (& 5 Weaknesses To Work On), Bleach: 10 Zanpakuto & Quincy Powers That Suit Byakuya Better Than Senbonzakura, Naruto: 10 Things You Didn't Know Happened To Sasuke After The Series Ended, Tower Of God: 10 Best Character Designs In The Franchise, Ranked, Dragon Ball: 5 Ways Broly Is The Legendary Super Saiyan (& Why It's Really Goku), Junji Ito's Remina Is a Modern Horror Classic - That We Don't Need Right Now, Good Omens Fans Will Enjoy Eniale & Dewiela Vol. Not a single one of them (other than the exclusions) would be able to stand up to the might Frieza for more than a few minutes. He doesn't present the evidence when asked about it. Why would it be? Jiren's universe was supposed to be one of the stronger ones. There are no boundaries, no reason to hold back and Broly is going for the kill. I think OP … But it is pertinent to my answer. Goku couldn't defeat Jiren on his own so he fuses with Vegeta and takes on Jiren. Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? In her fight against Goku, she as able to push him to Ultra Instinct, which means that she's quite a capable warrior. Though it will give them a fair chance, it will still be risky because, after the fusion, Vegeta and Goku will be out of stamina. Gogeta only fought Broly though and Broly is obviously stronger than Kefla was. Now the only thing we know is that Jiren was stronger than … Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. That was because he was purposely fucking around with Omega Shenron. In fact, we're pretty sure that it won't take Jiren more than a few minutes to deal with him. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. Syn Shenron is 10x weaker so he's 4x baseline. 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